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Old 04-14-2009, 07:30 AM
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Wow, thanks Carl!

I will be at the Engrave-In and was hoping to get some pointers from you there.

I really like this style - have since I first saw it - and after I practice enough to get something decent I plan to do a silver money clip this way.
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Here is the finished guard i posted the in progress pics for. A few symmetry issues but a blade will be seperating it so it shouldnt be to big of an issue. I will have to keep a close eye on that nextime Doug
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Old 04-14-2009, 03:41 PM
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Gee Carl, wasn't expecting that. Thanks a bunch. I will be at the engrave in also and will bug you there.
Great surprise, thanks Carl B.
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Old 04-14-2009, 08:20 PM
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Carl

I want to commend you for the Outstanding Tutorial.

I especially liked the follow-ups.

I don't think most folks realize the amount of work it takes to do a tutorial such as this.

You have to start at the very beginning, cover each and every step, explain everything so everybody can understand it.

Of course I do not have to tell you, because you have already done this.

I am just sorry other endeavors preclude me from joining in at this time.

I have try this just as soon as I can though.

Excellent, Job.

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Just wanted to show that I am still at it. I am having trouble with the scraping tool. Can't seem to get it as smooth as I would like it. I have tried to sharpen the tool in a number of sizes and shapes using the green template but just can't get it to do what I want. Anyway this shows that practice makes you a little better with each design. I am still not satisfied, Maybe I will try it again. I think my main problem is sharpening and getting the right size to do the job. I am hoping that after talking to Carl B. at the grave in I can get some insight on this, because I love this style, as well as others. I just love engraving period.
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Old 04-17-2009, 08:11 AM
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I'm sure Carl will be along to correct me but I think the answer is right there on your plate - the flare cut lines were done with a wider point in one smooth pass.

I think that what we need to get the smooth finish is a scraper that's wide enough to cover most or all of the surface in one pass.

But I'm still fiddling myself. Got a few minutes to do some more scraping on my piece with a larger flat I had handy and that did help with the striations. Stippling the background made it look much better.

I plan to do more this weekend - I think my time will be better spent doing another sample with the lessons learned then trying to perfect this one. Not sure if I'll do another leaf set like this or if I can come up with something to do on a nickel. Probably still do some sort of leaf but a nickel's easier to carry around and ponder than a practice plate.
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I can't wait to get started! I had time this eve to make Carl's gravers, get the plate ready and in some thermo loc.
I have to work tomorrow and maybe Sun, but next week should be clear, at least for a day or so.
Thanks Carl, and looking forward to meeting you at Scott's.
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Gail,
I can't wait to see your practice on this project. I know it will be awesome since you are at the experience lever that you are.
I am going to do another one late next week also. Seems like each one I do improves over the last.
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CarlW, don't hold your breath waiting for my work to be awesome! I have been working at engraving for about 2 years and most of that time was spent dithering around trying to make good graver points. I am very grateful for the template system developed by Steve, and now I can concentrate more on the artistic and tool manipulation aspects of engraving.
Thanks, and looking forward to meeting you.
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I finaly got down at it, This the back ground removed i will be trying the sculpting in the next couple of days. Please all comments welcome.

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Way to go Vanknife
Looking super.

By the way Carl & svd, i never "scraped" anything, just used a flat to "shave" not "cut"... big difference imho.
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Van:
Think you have got the background down pat. Can't wait to see the sculpting, I know from looking at this, it's going to be great.
Keep digging, and chipping. Looks very good.
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Old 04-20-2009, 03:19 PM
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Van - Looking good!

Chris - You are correct, even though Carl calls it a scraper we're mostly pushing it and shaving off bits. I sculpted the second copy of the pattern I had cut and relieved (after cutting it a bit deeper) and got a cleaner result.

Partly I used a wide flat for some of the sculpting, partly I used the long face of the scraper tool as a little burnisher to help smooth my work.

Hmmm.... Maybe I should try a little scraping - pulling the edge toward me - to see if it adds smoothing. I've got the shaping part down reasonably well but I'm still working on smoothness.

Need to see if I can sneak some bench time tonight.
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Ok SVD I gotcha
Must be one of those American english vs "proper" english things!
Scraping (proper) sounds an idea but metal might be abit hard for that.
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Old 04-21-2009, 07:26 AM
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I did get a little bench time last night.

Scraping does help with refining a sculpted shape but it was doing almost more of a burnish than a scrape. I'd have thought it wasn't taking off any metal except I could see the accumulating 'dust'.

So far it looks like you can get 90% done with this kind of stuff reasonably quickly and then, depending on how cleanly you did the work it can take a while to do the clean up work and get it all smooth and perfect.

I know what you mean about the classic "two cultures separated by a common language" thing. I mean, when you consider the oddities just in the parts of English that are the same on both sides of the pond, like "cleave" which means both to bond together ("cleave to one another in marriage") and to separate (as in describing the action of a cleaver)...
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Old 04-21-2009, 08:16 AM
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Maybe cleaving in marriage is a hindsight of whats to come .. if you marry her for only her nice cleav...
Where does going to the "John" come in i wonder?

Anyway, nice to see you still at it.... practice rules
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Old 04-21-2009, 11:27 AM
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Carl,

I'm as new to this as you can get. I'm still at the stage of reading and researching tools and techniques. Not sure I have the talent required but am considering giving it a try. I'm disabiled and can't travel very far for classes so people like yourself that help out on this web page by passing on your hard earned experience are a great help. Thank You

I have a question about your tools. I noticed in the pictures that you have several lines filed on you tools near where they are held in the handpiece. Is there a reason or use for these lines?

Thank you again for your time and efforts.
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gimp:
This is not Carl Bleile, but I will bet that it is some kind of identification mark as I can see no other reason for it.
Welcome to the forum, you have certainly come to the right place for expertise, and people willing to share.
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Old 04-21-2009, 03:33 PM
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I thought they may be some kind registration marks for tool holders or jigs of some type.

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I can see it going either way - only Carl knows for sure.

I remember someone (not Carl) mentioning that they notched all of their 'better than HSS' gravers so they'd know what metal they were. I myself figured out that on some of these grinds you should mark which face was up during initial shaping since it can be hard to tell later, and everyone is always looking for good ways to mark which graver is which.
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I'm going over to the other page and order some of the sharpening templates.
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Well, better late than never. I finally found some time to give this a try. And what a great lesson it was! Thanks Carl!

I don't have Carl's templates (yet anyway) so I had to improvise a bit. The one flat I have cut for my PC was to narrow to get the background as flat as I wanted, so I used a #42 flat push graver to do most of the background removal. Though I love my PC, I don't want to get so dependent on it that I limit my options, and I found it very rewarding to cut manually. I was really amazed at how much metal that flat would hog out. And, boy it is unforgiving if you slip!

Then I made a teardrop shaped punch from an old drill bit I had worn out. I engraved a cross-hatch pattern on the face before I hardened it. Learned that I probably want to go a little smaller on the punch with a finer cross-hatch next time.

I tried as best I could to emulate Carl's scraper using the standard flat template as a guide. It worked out fairly well, but I don't think I got the geometry quite right. It didn't give me that burnished look that Carl showed, but perhaps I just need more practice. However, using the scraper really taught me a lot about how the steel cuts. Getting that light touch down may take some time.

All critiques / advice welcome!

Thanks again Carl for the great tutorial!
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That looks pretty nice.This definitely looks like a good exercise to get the feel of things. Well done for all who have tried it out.
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Old 04-30-2009, 11:07 AM
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Looks pretty good - I'm also still working on getting a really smooth, polished surface on things.

Bet your next try you'll go even deeper - once you start doing real 3D (as opposed to simulating it in shading) it seems like the more room the better.

One thing flitting through my brain to try out someday is to smoothly raise the background level back up to match the surrounding so things wind up looking like an overlay. Now would a convex curved surface be easier because at a certain distance a flat relieved area intersects the curve or harder because you'd be trying to make it look like it's not flat?
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Thank you much. I will watch and learn. I have just now got my air compressor fixed.

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Hi, I´m new and from Argentina... Is there any video on deep sculpture...?
Many thanks for sharing your experience...
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I recently got your templets... now If I can get past the holidays and all the jobs I need to finish I look forward to trying this one... I love the deep sculptural style you work in , Look d=forward to being in touch soon....
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Right.. Here's my attempt.

Bit more engraving left and quite a bit of scraping. But I'm getting there! Can't say that I have payed much attention to the background and sides though. Should've done that from the beginning now when looking at it in hindsight.
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HI Jörmungandr,

Looks great,

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I'm having some trouble also with the finish of the sculpted part. Just can't seem to get it quite even. Should one change the direction one is scraping? As in first scrape left to right along the design and then do shorter strokes down from the ridge towards the bottom of the background?
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Thanx everyone great post, maybe when I get my tools I can join in.
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Hi,
My name is Larry,and I`m all the way from the other side of the pond !
I`m a diesinker/engraver,and I`ve mainly concentrated on hand engraving embossing dies for greetings cards;this usually done on 1/4" brass or magnesium. I use chisels on my work together with hand gravers,and was wondering if you would use chisels in order to get the bulk of the material out first?
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