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Old 04-30-2011, 05:40 PM
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Hello from Germany,

my name is Tina and I am from a town near cologne. I found this forum while I was searching the internet for engraving tools to buy. It seems as if its almost impossible to get some in Germany. Till now I havent engraved anything, but Id like to begin with the right tools from the start. Hopefully in a few weeks (or months) I can report about my first steps.
It would be great to get tips where I could watch, try and buy engraving tools in Germany and if there are schools where I can learn the basics (not fulltime because of my job). For Ive seen so many beautifull works on this page, Id like to start immediately .

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Tina.
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Old 04-30-2011, 11:12 PM
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Tina,

Welcome to this forum. There are many things you can learn here but it is not like having a course of study that has been established over the years.

One of the world's best hand engraving schools is in Suhl, Germany. While it is a full time school (as far as I know) I am sure that if you contact one of the masters you can receive some direction and advice, especially where to get tools.

You do not say what it is that you want to engrave but gun engraving is the largest source of work for hand engravers, especially in Germany. Learning gun engraving will also position you to work on knives as well. On the other hand if you wish to learn engraving only for jewelry it is another matter and does not require as many skills and artistry as gun and knife work.

Guns are mainly engraved with hammer and chisel or in German, mit hammer und stichel. Jewelry is mainly engraved with a burin (hand Stichel) which is also known as a push graver. Anything can be engraved with an AirGraver as made and sold by Steve Lindsay, however these are very rare among German engravers because the masters were all taught with the traditional tools and have little or no experience with air powered gravers.

German engravers have a very unique way of engraving scrollwork with hammer & chisel. They use an off center vise with a bearing under it and have a technique for making the vise rotate as they engrave spirals. I tried to do the technique when I visited the Merkel factory but could only get the vise and work to go half way round. I was told it takes lots of instruction and practice to work in this way. I have never seen engravers in any other country (including Austria) engrave as German trained engravers do but I must say it is very efficient.

The name and address of the engraving school is: Berufsfachschule Buchsenmacher & Graveure, Robert-Schumann Strasse 6, 98529 Suhl.

The e-mail address is: bfs-suhl@freenet.de

The phone number is: 0 36 81/ 71 46 16

The masters are Werner Wahl and Andreas Amthor. They are both very nice and helpful fellows and could give you some valuable advice.

Also it would be helpful to click on the link under my signature for the engraving glossary (worterbuch) which has many definitions with pictures, some of the words are German.

Best of luck,

Roger
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Old 05-01-2011, 03:16 AM
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hello Tina
just for a look, you are not far from the school in Luttich,
ecole Leon Mignon and for tools it's easy in Belgium to find what you want
bye Rocco
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Old 05-01-2011, 01:53 PM
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Hi Roger, Hi Rocco,

thank you very much for your tips. I just bought some burins at ebay and cant wait to get them. Before I decide what Im going to engrave I want to do a lot of excercises to get a feeling for tools and materials. The reason why Im so interested in starting engraving are the fine and beautifull patterns and the passion and love one need to create such things. I live near to the town Solingen which is famous for its cutlery, so it is liklely that knives are the things I will engrave, well see.

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Tina.
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Old 05-01-2011, 01:53 PM
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Hi Tina!
Welcome here:-)
I also come from Germany and learned engraving in Hanau in the Staatliche Zeichenakademie in Hanau.
If you look for tools/cutters, I think you can order for example at:
-Rudolf Flume Technik
-Gebr. Ott Hanau (maybe a bit better prices),
they have homepages.

Hanau is of course not just around your corner, but they normally offer apart from the apprenticeships ''Gastsemester'' for anyone.
You're welcome for any other questions just in case!

Good luck with everything!
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Old 05-01-2011, 02:10 PM
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Hi Hanne,
thanks for your post. I just looked at Flumes homepage and will contact the companies tomorrow. At the moment Im looking for some literature about how getting started, which tool and "Geometrien" for which material ... I found a book on amazon by Curt Streubel "Die Kunst der Graviertechnik". Do you know it and is it worth bying?

Viele Gre in die Schweiz,

Tina
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Old 05-01-2011, 02:40 PM
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Hi Tina I am in Belgium and you can come to try the tool in my workshop.
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Old 05-02-2011, 12:09 PM
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Hi again!
Yes, it's a good book I think, although I mostly just used the pictures and didn't read so much in it.
The optimal would probably be to find yourself someone for a crashcourse, to me it seems so much easier to get the start by someone 'live' and go on then.
But of course learning by doing also very well possible.
Roland by the way also just brought out a good book about engraving, maybe try that one too.
I would say, you could come just as well to switzerland for a weekend or so, but I suppose thats a bit far;-)
Frohes Schaffen!
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Old 05-02-2011, 01:52 PM
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Hi Roland,
thanks for your offer. Ive just been to your homepage and found your workshop, its not so far away from my home town (about 150 km). When Im after a view trials still as enthusiastic as in the moment, I try to pursuade my husband to spend a holiday in belgium ... would help if there are some classic Vespa or Lambretta-Dealers nearby .


Hi Hanne,
I think Im going to buy the book. And I will try to find a "Berufsschule" where they teach hand engraving. May the teachers have an idea who could help with a crash course. Right in my neighbourtown - Solingen - is one, but I think its just for machine engraving. Couldnt ask till now, because of the easter holidays.

Thanks to both of you.

Viele Gre,
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Old 05-03-2011, 04:33 AM
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Tina, Yes isn't so far. you can come only for one day or half day to try the tool. It is enough to see what tool you need and test it a little to have the feeling of tool.
When you are ready take an appointment... you know my email... no problem
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Old 05-03-2011, 04:15 PM
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Tina,

You are very fortunate to live so close to Roland who is a top engraver and teacher. 150 km may seem like a far distance for you to go but in the USA it is not unusual for a person to travel 800 to 2000 km to receive instruction for a few days because engravers are so spread out over this large nation. I think many here will agree that four hours spent with Roland at the beginning will save many unnecessary expenses and frustration in the long run.

Gre,

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