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Old 03-14-2014, 10:28 AM
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I have noticed that a great number of gun engravings are swirley fern and scroll type engravings . why do you think this is?
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Old 03-14-2014, 11:35 AM
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I have been thinking about it and plants and scrolls are perfect for filling up odd places as they can conform to any shape without looking wrong . I guess my observation is more like why arnt different styles used that dont use scrolls and plant life is is because the customer demands traditional art ? or is it the artists preference . please dont let this thread upset you and understand I am just one person looking at this art from a fresh perspective
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Old 03-14-2014, 01:22 PM
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From what I have read it is dictated by tradition.
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Old 03-14-2014, 09:46 PM
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Dictated by tradition... And market.
All the time it takes to make something , you sure hope its something somebody wants.
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Old 04-21-2014, 10:37 PM
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and it also shows how the artist can make complicated lines, due to its curved nature, the more curve, the more comlicated, imho
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Old 07-15-2014, 04:17 PM
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Im not gonna let that constrain me!

I try to always move forward, i think that complex geometric stuff and such is where i want to go. Aesthetics change as the times do, i dont see why guns are always limited to scrollwork and an animal or two.

i am impressed by them yeah, but imagine any other field of art where every artist paints roughly the same thing. I bet that alot of yall get bored doing the same stuff over and over, why do that?
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Old 07-15-2014, 07:13 PM
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I can think of one reason you seldom see geometrics - they take a lot longer than traditional patterns.
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Old 07-17-2014, 10:08 AM
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Im not gonna let that constrain me!

I try to always move forward, i think that complex geometric stuff and such is where i want to go. Aesthetics change as the times do, i dont see why guns are always limited to scrollwork and an animal or two.

i am impressed by them yeah, but imagine any other field of art where every artist paints roughly the same thing. I bet that alot of yall get bored doing the same stuff over and over, why do that?
March to the tune of your own drummer, why play follow the leader? I like the idea, the world becomes duller if we all use the same "cookie" cutter.
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Old 07-17-2014, 11:24 PM
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My thoughts are that fire arms engraving is in many ways a very traditional artisan tradition. The majority of the work that is bought and produced follows a formula. This was very common in all arts until the modern period. The less mainstream the art or artisan skill the longer that element of tradition tends to hold on, also the more of a commodity or every day item the more likely that the work will be conservatively traditional.

I would say that engraving is often seen as a holding utility. The idea of embellishing something that is already valued. Much the way materials used to make paintings and objects de arte in the Renaissance were seen. The majority of those consuming engraving as a commodity are accustom to this motif.

The tradition has a fairly common origin and due to the skill and time involved in the practice the need and the utility of innovation may be counter the market that allows the artisans of engraving to continue to work.

The areas of divergence/innovation in engraving appear to be coming from the self taught and those that have taken up engraving as an extension of other artistic traditions.

The amazing part about engraving is that though there is a tradition and a large amount of a particular style there is no reason to take this as wrote or as sacred. As long as you can design and cut it you can do it.

This is in some ways the story of modern art.
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When firearms really began to take off and become more common in Europe several hundred years ago I suspect that the "scroll work" was the style that was "in" at that time. As with all things the wealthy want it embellished and the market would dictate what was produced. That's my guess on how it got started,...........as to why folks still do it ? I think overall gun owners are a traditional kind of bunch and the market is still there for it. It is an interesting question.

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Old 07-19-2014, 07:34 PM
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When firearms really began to take off and become more common in Europe several hundred years ago I suspect that the "scroll work" was the style that was "in" at that time. As with all things the wealthy want it embellished and the market would dictate what was produced. That's my guess on how it got started,...........as to why folks still do it ? I think overall gun owners are a traditional kind of bunch and the market is still there for it. It is an interesting question.

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I know that some do other styles besides scrolls, I have seen them on hunting forums, but never on the engraving forums. 2 of the engravers post on the engraving forums, but I have never seen their other "style" posted on the engraving forums. It was the owners that posted the work on the hunting forum, not the engravers, kind of like they did not want anyone to see their "other side" of engraving.

Granted I am no expert, but the work was extremely nice and both got great reviews from other gun owners. I know one was contacted about another project, but I have no clue if he responded or not. At least I know there are 2 other engravers that think out of the box on firearm designs, if they want to keep their secret, I won't spill it. I bet there are several more that unique design ideas and want to keep it to themselves.
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