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Old 01-26-2009, 08:20 PM
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Default New templates for Carl Bleile's tool points !!!

Carl Bleile did a wonderful article in the last Fega newsletter about his sculpting technique; pictures of this technique can be seen in Carl’s photo album along with banknote style engraving.

This may seem to be a new method of sharpening but Carl says it’s been around for 100 years yet somehow has gotten lost in the new methods. These tools are efficient, cut aggressively, and need less sharpening than usual. They are strong enough for hammer and chisel, push, or the complete line of Lindsay power tools.

(1) banknote engraving for darker lines,
(2) scraping tool for removing tool marks, final contouring, also removes excess gold and shapes raised inlays after inlaying
(3) background removal tool with special side grinds to get around main area without nicking.
(4) medium to deep outline, removing background in tight areas, preparing for background removal and gold inlay.

Carl sent the chisels and scrapers he uses and we are designing templates for them. After Carl double checks them, I'll have the first batch of them made and available for purchase. He could then help with tips and tricks for using them. Here are close-up pictures of Carl's tool points.





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Old 01-27-2009, 08:32 AM
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That is one of the great things about these forums everyone is so willing to share...

Thanks Carl, they look like some important new grinds...

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Old 01-27-2009, 08:37 AM
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Cant wait to give them a try. You guys are really making it way to easy to sharpen tools. Doug:yesnod:
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Old 01-28-2009, 02:51 PM
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I see the chisels and am aware of their use but I don't see any scrapers. Is this correct or did I miss something?

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Old 01-28-2009, 03:35 PM
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Default Re: New templates for Carl Bleile's tool points !!!

Hi Neil,

Think you missed this one
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(2) scraping tool for removing tool marks, final contouring, also removes excess gold and shapes raised inlays after inlaying
2 as in second from the left.

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Old 01-28-2009, 04:47 PM
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Default Re: New templates for Carl Bleile's tool points !!!

Thanks Carl and Steve more tools fantastic I love tools. Some of the shape kind of look like japanese tange (sp) This is great as I have been trying to get Japaneese chisels (tange) but no luck so far
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Old 01-30-2009, 10:05 PM
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The templates should be here very soon. I have used this style of tools for many years. they are very versatile ( banknote,bulino to gold inlay ) less prone to breakage, and east to sharpen, 3 of the tools only need the face touched up then back to cutting. To answer a question ahead of time I designed these tools to make the work easier for engravers, I get ZERO dollars and don't expect to. It's like repaying the old engravers that taught me by passing this on to others.
Teaching a newer person is like shaking the hand of an old master and saying thanks.
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Old 01-31-2009, 09:11 AM
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Teaching a newer person is like shaking the hand of an old master and saying thanks.
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That's the kind of thing that would make a nice sig line or t-shirt. It really sums things up.

I've got to get the roll case made for the other new templates I just got and send Steve the pattern for the cases (have to finish making that too).

Question, are the templates for your tools about the same height as the one for the Universal point or are they tall like the original 70 degree Bulino point?
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Old 01-31-2009, 10:51 AM
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I am sure glad you see it that way Carl. You sure have helped me a lot. Those old masters must have tired arms from shaking your hand. Thanks much. Mack
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Old 01-31-2009, 02:06 PM
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Hi Mack, great to see you posting.

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I had the opportunity to try out some of Carl's gravers while visiting him a while back. Simple to maintain and very effective. Very durable in either a push graver (under my "iron thumb" ) or in an Airgraver. FEGA Journal issue #81 is an essential compliment to Carl's set and I hope he does another article in the near future (hint).

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Old 01-31-2009, 05:46 PM
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Thanks Carl
Dont know what else to say:whoo:
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Carl that first one the banknote bulino graver for darker lines looks great as does that last one. Looks like i am going to have to save up for Steves sharpening system and a load of cool templates. Thank you for giving so much to us all on here, Bless You, Tim.
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Is there anyway to get this newsletter without being a member of FEGA? I'm not an engraver, yet, but I am interested, and would love to see this article about Mr. Bleile technique. Can I get a copy anywhere?

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Old 02-02-2009, 03:48 PM
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As far as I know the Engraver Magazine is only for FEGA members. You should join as the magazine alone is worth the membership price:yesnod:
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Default Re: New templates for Carl Bleile's tool points !!!

I agree with Mr London!
Just joined and cant wait for the next issue of the engraver.
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Old 02-03-2009, 08:28 PM
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Carl's prototype sample templates were completed today. We have instructions written on these templates. I'll photograph them later today, post them and then ship them to Carl for him to test and verify they are grinding his points well. When the templates are ready to ship, Carl will be providing pictures and his article to help describe the uses and techniques. After Carl checks the prototypes and gives the go ahead we will start production. They should be ready to ship to everyone in a few days after that.

A few hours later....
Here is a shot of them.
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Old 02-04-2009, 05:37 AM
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Default Re: New templates for Carl Bleile's tool points !!!

for the scraper you would use drill rod or a lindsay graver
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Old 02-04-2009, 08:55 AM
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for the scraper you would use drill rod or a lindsay graver
3/32" square graver blanks. Although you could use drill rod if desired.
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Default Re: New templates for Carl Bleile's tool points !!!

Interesting!

The Scraper template looks about the same size as the 'small' templates for most of the templates. The DeepLine template looks to be a 'tall'.

I'm hoping to get those darn roll cases done tonight - looks like I need a Tall for these as well as the Regular for the last set of templates I got.
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Old 02-06-2009, 04:41 AM
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Default Re: New templates for Carl Bleile's tool points !!!

Put me down for a set when Carl OK's them...
I'd also like 2 or 3 of the holding device with the nut so I don't have to change the holder from one fixture to the other so often...
Thanks Steve for all your work...
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Hi Carl
Thanks for sharing you experience in showing us your tools and enabling us to duplicate this style ( or the tools at least ) . As a lot of members like myself have to go it alone, having the right tools takes a lot of the guess work out of the equation.

I see from an other thread that the tools are now available, and they will be on my next wish order form steve.

One (hopefully not too dumb a ) question, how do you use, or how does the scraper tool work, I have read of their use, but it looks nothing like I imagined, it looks like a big plow, does it chip at the work??, and why not use a flat instead??
I love the examples of your work, just cannot visualize how this tool achieves it

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Old 02-20-2009, 10:36 AM
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Thank all of you for your interest and kind words. I will be starting threads on how to use the templates,then show the tools and how I use them. Sometimes it is hard to type in words what can be shown but Ill do my best.
Carl Bleile
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p.s. Paul the scraper is for finial finishing , it's a hand push tool that needs very little pressure, it also works great for taking down gold after inlaying with less worry about damage to the base area. The size of the tips of my tools are easily changed to fit the work by useing the template or by hand.
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Hi Carl,

very nice pics, I wanna know what kind of steel are these tips and how they are manufactured.
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are their videos to show relief engraving ?
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i am starting over i guess but finding all of this info. i will get back to engraving knifes as i have had open heart then i just finished ceamo 6 months of it for colon cancer but ready to get started again thanks for the info. from everybody
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i am starting over i guess but finding all of this info. i will get back to engraving knifes as i have had open heart then i just finished ceamo 6 months of it for colon cancer but ready to get started again thanks for the info. from everybody
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I Welcome to the Engraving Forum.
It is good the have you with us, after difficulties come good times too.
I wish all the best for you for the future.
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